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    If relational truth were fully grounded in intrinsic monadic accidents of each relatum, then changing only the relata's spatial positions—without altering any internal accident—could not change the truth-value of the relation, which is empirically false.

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    • 1.Two identical objects swap positions and their spatial relation reverses (left/right), yet no intrinsic property of either changed.
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    • 2.If relations were grounded solely in intrinsic monadic accidents, symmetric intrinsic duplicates would necessarily bear identical relations to all things.
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    • 3.Empirical cases show spatial position changes alter relational truth-values, contradicting monadic-only grounding theories.
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    • 1.Spatial position is itself a relational or extrinsic property, not an intrinsic monadic accident, so the argument equivocates.
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    • 2.A complete intrinsic state includes dispositional properties defined by counterfactual spatial relationships, avoiding the counterexample.
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    • 3.The argument assumes monadic accidents suffice for relations without addressing whether spatial information encodes in relata's intrinsic structure.
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    Key Terms

    Empirically false(as used in philosophy and science)
    Not true in real life when you actually test it or observe it, as opposed to being wrong just in theory.
    Intrinsic(describing the kind of continuities that ground identity)
    Something that belongs to or is part of something by its very nature, rather than coming from outside or being relational.
    Monadic accidents(types of properties that might ground facts)
    Properties that belong to a single thing by itself (like 'red' or 'heavy'), as opposed to relations between multiple things.
    Relational truth(as a type of statement about reality)
    A fact about how something relates to or connects with other things—for example, 'this cup is to the left of that plate' is a relational truth.
    Relatum(as used in logic and metaphysics)
    A thing that stands in a relationship to something else; one of the items being related in a comparison.
    grounded in(whether distinctness or identity is explained by intrinsic features)
    To be explained by or to have its reason or basis in something else—like how a tree being wet is grounded in (explained by) recent rain.
    spatial positions(physics/metaphysics)
    Where something is located in space; how far apart things are from each other and in what direction.
    truth-value(logic and philosophy of language)
    Whether a statement is true or false. Two statements can have different truth-values if one is true and the other is false.

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