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    If relations are internal, they collapse into the monism ... — Carmelics
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    Supports→Bradley's argument for idealism is fallacious

    If relations are internal, they collapse into the monism Bradley wants to prove rather than serving as premises; if external, they require further relating relations ad infinitum.

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    • 1.Internal relations define relata's intrinsic natures, making them logically inseparable from what they relate to.
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    • 2.External relations require a distinct relator to unite separate terms, generating infinite regress of relations relating relations.
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    • 3.Neither horn avoids contradiction: internal relations collapse distinctness; external relations collapse into infinite chains.
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    • 1.Relations can be genuinely distinct from relata yet not require further relations to obtain between them and relata.
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    • 2.The regress objection conflates 'explaining why a relation holds' with 'relations holding,' confusing epistemology with ontology.
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    • 3.Internal relations needn't entail monism if relata retain distinct properties despite their relational interdependence.
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