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    If teleological endpoints are not objective features of t... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→A thing more truly is what it is destined to become than what it currently seems to be.

    If teleological endpoints are not objective features of things but observer-relative descriptions, then future states cannot constitute a thing's deeper identity.

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    • 1.Identity requires objective, intrinsic features independent of external interpretation or observer perspective.
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    • 2.Observer-relative descriptions are by definition subjective impositions, not discoveries of intrinsic nature.
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    • 3.What constitutes 'deeper identity' must be grounded in what something IS, not what someone INTENDS it to become.
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    • 1.All descriptions of natural things—including 'mass' and 'charge'—are observer-relative frameworks without losing explanatory power.
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    • 2.A thing's identity can be constitutively dependent on relational properties (e.g., parent's identity involves future offspring).
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    • 3.Observer-relativity doesn't entail lack of objectivity; gravity is observer-relative but remains a real objective feature.
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