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    It is not the case that If the above is true, then eternal torture would be more pleasant than ceasing to exist

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    Reasons For

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    • 1.Unending agony without possibility of relief, death, or escape would make existence a net negative that ceasing to exist clearly exceeds in value.
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    • 2.The claim conflates theoretical existence with conscious wellbeing; a non-conscious state may be preferable to perpetual suffering despite lacking experience.
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    • 3.Empirically, people choose death to escape unbearable suffering, suggesting continued torturous existence is worse than non-existence to actual conscious agents.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Existence itself has intrinsic value; any conscious experience preserves the self, while non-existence means total annihilation of identity.
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    • 2.Torture involves suffering but also moments of relief, memory, and potential meaning-making, whereas non-existence offers no experience whatsoever.
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    • 3.The possibility of eventual adaptation, psychological resilience, or unexpected joy means eternal torture retains hope that non-existence categorically lacks.
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