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    If the entity whose survival is valued changes substantia... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→If one chooses to live, one must value one's own long-term survival as an ultimate end and morality as a necessary means to that end.

    If the entity whose survival is valued changes substantially over time, rational self-interest cannot ground a unified ultimate end across a lifetime.

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    • 1.Personal identity requires continuity of psychological properties; substantial change undermines this continuity across time.
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    • 2.Rational self-interest presupposes a unified subject whose interests persist; radical change fragments this unity into successive selves.
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    • 3.Ultimate ends grounded in self-interest require the beneficiary to remain relevantly the same; substantial change breaks this requirement.
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    • 1.Substantial change is compatible with psychological continuity; graduated transformation preserves chains of memory and causation.
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    • 2.Self-interest can be unified across time through higher-order commitments that persist despite changes in lower-order preferences.
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    • 3.Even radically different future selves share a present stake in decisions; current rational agency can coherently serve all future stages.
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