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    It is not the case that If the First's essence just is its causal power, then the First is essentially relative to creatures, making divine simplicity dependent on the existence of a contingent world.

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    • 1.Divine causal power could be intrinsic (an absolute perfection) exercised *toward* creatures, not defined *by* them.
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    • 2.Simplicity permits the First to possess all perfections essentially, including causality, independent of their manifestation.
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    • 3.Relationality in exercise differs from relationality in essence; God can be immutable in being while free in creating.
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    • 1.Causal power is intrinsically relational—it exists only in relation to potential patients or effects.
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    • 2.If divine essence = causal power, and causal power is relational, then divine essence is relational.
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    • 3.A relational essence depends on the existence of relata; without creatures, the First lacks its defining power.
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