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    Challenges→The first argument does not beg the question

    If the interlocutor disputes the major premise precisely because they dispute the conclusion, the argument provides no dialectical traction and thus begs the question in the pragmatically relevant sense.

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    • 1.Begging the question requires circularity that prevents rational persuasion, which occurs when premises depend on disputing the conclusion.
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    • 2.If an interlocutor rejects the major premise only because they reject the conclusion, the argument fails its pragmatic purpose of moving them.
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    • 3.Dialectical traction means the argument can persuade someone who doesn't already accept its conclusion; circular arguments lack this capacity.
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    • 1.An argument can be logically valid even if pragmatically ineffective; the claim conflates logical form with persuasive success.
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    • 2.Merely rejecting a premise because one rejects the conclusion doesn't prove the argument is circular—the person might be logically confused.
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    • 3.Some truths require arguments whose premises are obvious only to those who accept the conclusion; this doesn't make them question-begging in the traditional sense.
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    Key Terms

    argument(Epistemology and argumentation theory; the 'evidentiary' conception of argument)
    An evidentiary construct consisting of (1) premises, (2) a conclusion, and (3) an inference from the premises to the conclusion, implying that the conclusion is true, likely true, plausible, or should otherwise be accepted.
    begs the question(Informal fallacy in epistemic justification)
    A circular argument in which warrant for the premises already presupposes the truth of the conclusion
    dialectical traction(as used in debate and logic)
    The ability of an argument to actually move a discussion forward or persuade someone by building on shared ground; if an argument has no 'traction,' it can't gain grip in the conversation.
    interlocutor
    Socrates' partner in dialogue
    major premise(Classification parameter in Qiyās VI.4–VI.5)
    The first premise in a syllogism, which may be categorical or conditional
    pragmatically relevant(as used in philosophy and communication)
    Matters in a real, practical way to the actual conversation or situation at hand, rather than being only theoretically interesting.

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