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If 'the universe exists uncaused' is improbable, this jud... — Carmelics

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Challenges→The existence of the universe can be made comprehensible if we suppose that it is brought about by God.

If 'the universe exists uncaused' is improbable, this judgment requires a reference class of universes, which is unavailable to any finite reasoner, rendering the probability claim empty.

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1.Probability judgments require comparing frequencies within a known reference class; we cannot observe multiple universes to establish such frequencies.
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2.Finite reasoners cannot access information about all logically possible universes needed to ground comparative probability claims.
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3.Without an accessible reference class, probability statements become conventional stipulations rather than factual claims about likelihood.
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1.Probability can be assessed via theoretical models and symmetry arguments without empirical reference classes, as in quantum mechanics.
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2.The absence of a reference class doesn't make probability claims empty—only makes them based on theoretical priors or rational constraints rather than frequencies.
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3.Finite reasoners regularly assess probabilities of unique events (e.g., Earth's origins) using conditional reasoning without complete reference classes.
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Finite reasoner(who the frame problem affects): Any thinking being or system that has limited resources (like a brain with limited memory or a computer with limited processing power), so it can't consider infinitely many things at once.
Improbable(probability and likelihood): Unlikely to happen; something that probably won't occur, even though it could.
Reference class(Boorse's biostatistical theory): A biologically relevant subgroup of a species used to specify the population mean against which individual functional efficiency is measured, accounting for the fact that not all members of a species share the same design in every respect
probability(as used in mathematics and logic): A number between 0 and 1 that describes how likely something is to happen; 0.5 means 50% chance, 1 means certain, 0 means impossible.
probability claim(the argument suggests such claims are 'empty' or meaningless without proper evidence): A statement asserting that something is likely or unlikely to be true, based on some kind of measurable chance.
uncaused(as used in philosophy of causation): Something that happens without any reason, explanation, or prior factor making it happen.

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