Skip to content
Carmelics
TopicsThinkersChangesContributorsLoading account…

    Carmelics

    A reasoning platform. Break down any belief into clear reasons, explore both sides, and weigh the evidence honestly.

    Navigate

    • Topics
    • Search
    • Recent Changes
    • Contribute
    • How It Works
    • Glossary
    • Thinkers
    • Contributors
    • About
    • Statistics
    • Terms
    • Privacy

    Database

    Statements
    —
    Perspectives
    —
    Topics
    —

    Press ? for keyboard shortcuts

    LoyalLoyalJusticeJustice
    Made withinDC&Austin
    Statements
    321,452
    Perspectives
    108,905
    Topics
    42
    If thinking requires genuine semantic understanding rathe... — Carmelics
    Home
    HistoryEditSee Inverse

    Part of a larger discussion

    Challenges→Being free from the Lucas-Penrose constraint is not necessary for the capacity to think.

    If thinking requires genuine semantic understanding rather than syntactic manipulation, then freedom from Gödelian constraints marks a necessary condition for thought, not a dispensable one.

    ?Rate how convincing each reason is below to see the overall strength.

    No one has weighed in yet. Be the first to share reasons for or against this statement.

    Sign in or register to share your perspective on this statement.

    Key Terms

    Dispensable(in philosophy)
    Not absolutely necessary; able to be removed or done without while still having a working system.
    Gödel / Gödelian constraints(used here to discuss limits on thinking and artificial systems)
    Limitations on what logical systems can prove, discovered by mathematician Kurt Gödel; roughly, any consistent set of rules will always have true statements it cannot prove within itself.
    Semantic understanding(contrasted with syntactic manipulation in the statement)
    Actually grasping what words and ideas mean, rather than just following rules about how to arrange them.
    necessary condition(Counterfactual analysis of causation; Mackie 1965, 1974)
    A condition C is necessary for event E if E would not have occurred in the absence of C
    syntactic manipulation

    Next step

    Based on where you are in your exploration

    Explore a random proposition
    Start fresh with something unrelated.
    (philosophy of language and logic)
    Moving symbols and words around according to grammar rules, without necessarily understanding what they actually mean or refer to.

    Connections

    2 topics

    Truth & Knowledge1 linkedConsciousness & Mind1 linked

    Related

    Being free from the Lucas-Penrose constraint is not necessary for the capacity t...

    Details

    Type
    claim
    Perspectives
    0 (0 for, 0 against)
    Edits
    1 edit

    Open for perspectives

    This idea is waiting for its first supporting or challenging perspective.

    Share the first perspective