Since modesty is a matter of knowing the equal moral worth of all people, defenders of this view sometimes deny that modesty is a dependent virtue since one can have the relevant knowledge while lacking any good qualities oneself (see Ben-Ze’ev 1993). They also sometimes deny that immoral people, or people who deny the equal moral worth of everyone, can ever be modest at all; see Nuyen (1998, 107) and Statman (1992, 434).