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    In the realm of the spirit, passive suffering is active p... — Carmelics
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    In the realm of the spirit, passive suffering is active production

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    • 1.In spiritual matters, conceiving is the same as bearing or giving birth
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    • 2.What appears passive (conceiving/suffering) and what appears active (bearing/producing) are identical in the spiritual realm
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    • 1.Aristotle's distinction between potency and act requires that passive reception and active production remain categorically distinct even in immaterial substances.
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    • 2.Aquinas, following Aristotle, argues that even the intellect's receptivity (intellectus possibilis) is ontologically prior to and separable from its productive activity (intellectus agens).
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    • 3.If passivity and activity were genuinely identical in the spiritual realm, the very intelligibility of divine generation—requiring a real relation between Father and Son—would collapse into undifferentiated monism.
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    • 1.Kant's critique of speculative mysticism holds that claims identifying opposites (passive/active) in a supersensible realm violate the principle of contradiction, which applies universally regardless of domain.
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    • 2.Without the formal distinction between receptivity and spontaneity that structures even pure apperception, no account of cognition—human or divine—can explain how a subject relates to content distinct from itself.
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    E. In summary, Eckhart can say: “… in spiritualibus conceptio est ipsa parturitio sive partus” (Echardus, In Exod. n. 207; LW II, 174, 3–4): In the realm of the spirit, conceiving is bearing or giving birth—and therefore (passive) suffering is (active) production. It should be noted that the motif of birth is one of Eckhart’s favorites, for example, when he holds that the divine Father bears his Son in the soul, more precisely: in the ground of the soul, and in this way he bears me as himself a
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