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    It is not the case that It is irrational to make a lying promise to obtain needed money.

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    • 1.The rationality of an action is determined by its consequences for welfare, not by the logical universalizability of its maxim.
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    • 2.A lying promise that prevents serious harm produces better outcomes than strict adherence to truth-telling, making it the rational choice.
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    • 3.Kant's universalizability test mistakes a logical contradiction in conception for a genuine practical irrationality, conflating two distinct normative domains.
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    • 1.The contradiction Kant identifies depends on an already-existing social practice of promise-keeping, making the argument circular rather than a priori.
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    • 2.If no general practice of promise-keeping existed, universalizing lying promises would not self-destruct but would instead produce a world without promises altogether, which is not logically incoherent.
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    • 1.It is irrational to perform an action if that action's maxim contradicts itself once made into a universal law of nature.
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    • 2.The maxim 'I will make lying promises when it achieves something I want' generates a contradiction when universalized as a law of nature that all rational agents must lie when doing so gets them what they want.
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