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    It is not that a perfectly loving God would let someone h... — Carmelics
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    It is not that a perfectly loving God would let someone have the freedom to choose Hell

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    • 1.True love requires respecting autonomy; forcing someone into Heaven violates their dignity as a free agent.
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    • 2.A God who coerces happiness would create beings incapable of genuine love, making authentic relationship impossible.
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    • 3.The ability to reject God is necessary for moral choice to be real; without it, acceptance is mere programming.
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    • 1.Perfect love would foresee how free choice leads to damnation and find creative alternatives to prevent it.
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    • 2.Omnipotence includes the power to grant freedom AND guarantee no one chooses Hell—these aren't logically contradictory.
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    • 3.A parent loving their child doesn't mean accepting they freely choose to destroy themselves without intervention.
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    If the above is true, then it is not that a perfectly loving God would...97%If God... Hell, then no one would have the freedom to choose Hell84%If the above is true, then choosing Hell would cause irreparable harm ...81%If the above is true, then it is not that people can choose Hell80%

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    <html> <head> </head> <body> <p> This is Talbott's assumed response to his earlier argument, that no one should be held responsible for rejecting God. I actually wasn't entirely sure how to deal with this at first, because in the article, it looks like a rebuttal to strengthen his earlier arguments. However, when we look deeper, I think it starts to become clearer to me that it might be separate argument--only common in that no one should go to Hell. </p> <p> He's saying "x. But even if you prove ~x, y." This whole "even if" bit can throw someone off; it would be good to warn people about this so they can understand their own arguments. </p> </body> </html>