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    It is not the case that It makes the non-damned more thankful

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    • 1.God would cause the same good by causing less pain, instead of this
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    • 2.If the above is true, then it is not that ECT would make the non-damned more thankful
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Gratitude for salvation requires genuine contrast with its absence, not merely hypothetical or abstract alternatives.
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    • 2.Jonathan Edwards argued that the redeemed's awareness of deserved damnation deepens their appreciation of unmerited grace.
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    • 3.A good God may permit real, not merely possible, consequences to fully actualize the epistemic and affective conditions for genuine gratitude.
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    Reason against 2 of 2
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    • 1.The Augustinian tradition holds that certain goods—like mercy—are only fully intelligible against the backdrop of actually-instantiated justice.
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    • 2.If ECT is the just consequence of unrepented sin, its occurrence reveals divine mercy to the saved as something concrete and personally relevant, not abstract.
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