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    It is not the case that John Hick's Irenaean theodicy holds that a world without suffering cannot achieve the soul-making necessary for moral and spiritual development toward the imago Dei.

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    • 1.Innocent children suffer catastrophic diseases; no moral growth justifies their agony, suggesting the theodicy fails empirically.
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    • 2.An omnipotent God could design souls that develop morally without extreme suffering, making the current suffering excess.
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    • 3.The claim conflates suffering's potential value with its necessity—growth may require challenge but not the degree of evil observed.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Virtues like courage, compassion, and perseverance are only meaningful when exercised against genuine hardship and suffering.
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    • 2.A world of effortless comfort would produce shallow character; moral development requires real stakes and genuine struggle.
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    • 3.The imago Dei involves freely chosen goodness, which requires the real possibility of failure—impossible in a painless world.
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