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    Kreisel's squeezing argument requires that the informal c... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→The class F provides a machine-independent characterization of the complexity class FP

    Kreisel's squeezing argument requires that the informal concept being captured is already sufficiently determinate, but 'feasible computation' lacks the pre-theoretic determinacy needed to ground a machine-independence claim.

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    Determinate/Determinacy(The statement argues that 'feasible computation' isn't clear enough to be determinate)
    Being clear, definite, and specific enough that there's no real ambiguity about what you're talking about.
    Feasible computation(This concept is being examined in the statement)
    A calculation or problem that a computer could actually solve in a reasonable amount of time, rather than taking forever.
    Ground (verb)(The lack of determinacy prevents 'grounding' a machine-independence claim)
    To provide a solid foundation or basis for something; to justify or support it with a good reason.
    Informal concept(contrasted with 'formal' definitions that are precise and rigorous)
    An idea or notion that we use and understand in everyday thinking, but haven't written down as a strict, formal definition yet.

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    Kreisel(as a historical figure in logic and philosophy of mathematics)
    Georg Kreisel (1923–2015), a mathematical logician who studied how mathematical reasoning works and whether we can be certain about mathematical truths.
    Machine-independence claim(The statement suggests this claim can't be grounded in the concept of feasible computation)
    An argument that a definition or concept applies equally well no matter what kind of computer or machine you use to test it.
    Pre-theoretic(Pre-theoretic understanding of 'feasible computation' is what's being questioned)
    Something that exists or is understood before anyone has built a formal theory or formal definition around it—your intuitive grasp of something before experts formalize it.
    squeezing argument(philosophy of logic)
    Kreisel's argument that uses proof theory to support the model-theoretic definition of logical consequence, depending on the language having a sound and complete proof system

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