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    It is not the case that Latin trinitarians like Augustine hold that the divine persons are distinguished by relations of origin, not by being numerically distinct substances.

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    • 1.If persons share one substance but are really distinct, relationalism must explain how relations alone ground real metaphysical difference, not mere conceptual distinction.
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    • 2.Appealing to relations of origin risks making the Trinity a logical construct rather than addressing whether three genuine subjects of consciousness exist.
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    • 3.Augustine's framework struggles to explain biblical passages suggesting the persons have distinct wills or knowledge without implying substance plurality.
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    • 1.If persons were numerically distinct substances, there would be three gods, violating monotheism that Augustine explicitly defends.
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    • 2.Relations of origin (Father generates Son, Spirit proceeds) are real properties that genuinely differentiate without requiring substance multiplication.
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    • 3.Augustine's account preserves biblical language about Father, Son, Spirit while avoiding modalism by grounding distinctions in relational structure.
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