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    It is not the case that Living creatures can be deathlessly annihilated (i.e., cease to exist without dying).

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    • 1.Biological continuity of vital processes is not sufficient for identity persistence; what matters is psychological or narrative continuity (Parfit, Locke).
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    • 2.Amoeba fission destroys the original organism's identity even if metabolism continues, meaning fission constitutes a form of death for the original individual.
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    • 3.Therefore, the amoeba case demonstrates death-with-continuation-of-life, not deathless annihilation, collapsing the distinction the claim relies upon.
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    • 1.Aristotelian hylomorphism holds that an organism's form (soul) just is the organization of its living matter; when that organized unity dissolves into two, the original form ceases—this is death.
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    • 2.The absence of a corpse or cessation of metabolism does not entail the absence of death; death is defined by loss of substantial form, not by biological arrest.
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    • 3.Classifying fission as 'deathless annihilation' smuggles in a Cartesian res-cogitans conception of the self that cannot be assumed without begging the question against hylomorphic and animalist accounts.
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    • 1.An amoeba's existence ends when it splits, replacing itself with two amoebas, yet vital activities do not cease.
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    • 2.The existence of chlamydomonas ends when pairs of them fuse to form a zygote, yet vital activities do not cease.
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    • 3.If people could divide like amoebas, perhaps they too could cease to exist without dying.
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