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    It is not the case that Matter exhibiting self-organizing properties, as demonstrated in Epicurean atomism and later in thermodynamic dissipative systems, provides a parsimonious alternative that does not require positing an external ordering principle.

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    • 1.Self-organization presupposes pre-existing laws governing particle behavior; these laws themselves remain unexplained and may require grounding.
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    • 2.The probability of random atomic configurations producing functional complexity (genetic codes, ecosystems) is vanishingly small without further explanation.
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    • 3.Dissipative systems require initial conditions, energy gradients, and boundary constraints—external conditions that self-organization alone does not explain.
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    • 1.Observable systems (crystals, convection cells, life) spontaneously organize without external guidance, demonstrating self-organization is physically real.
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    • 2.Parsimony favors explanations requiring fewer entities; self-organization needs only matter and physical laws, not additional ordering agents.
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    • 3.Thermodynamic dissipative structures empirically exhibit complexity increase through energy flows, requiring no teleological principles or design.
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