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    Matter is not merely animated by an evil world soul but s... — Carmelics
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    Matter is not merely animated by an evil world soul but simply is the evil world soul, possessing life of its own.

    Natural TheologyProblem of Evil
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    • 1.A soul that animates anything cannot be truly evil in doing so, because soul is the principle of life.
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    • 2.Life is a kind of order and therefore good.
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    • 3.Therefore matter cannot be animated by an evil soul; instead matter itself must be identified with the evil soul.
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    • 1.Soul, even a disordered one, remains ontologically distinct from matter in Platonic metaphysics, as Plato himself distinguishes them in the Timaeus.
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    • 2.Identifying matter with soul collapses the distinction between substrate and mover, eliminating the explanatory role matter plays as the passive recipient of form.
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    • 3.Numenius's conflation therefore produces an incoherent monism that undermines the very dualism required to explain how evil enters the generated world.
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    • 1.Plotinus argues in Enneads I.8 that matter is evil not because it possesses life but because it is the absolute privation of form, the Good, and being.
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    • 2.A privation cannot coherently be identified with a soul, since soul for Neoplatonists is always a positive ontological principle possessing some degree of intelligible content.
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    • 3.Therefore the claim that matter simply is the evil world soul commits a category error by attributing agency and life to what is defined precisely by their absence.
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    Such an argument shows that Numenius has strong views about the ontological status of matter, the basis, he supposes, of all bodies (fr. 4b.25). In his 4th c. CE Latin commentary on the Timaeus Calcidius presents a long discussion about the status of matter (In Timaeum p. 297.7-301.20 Waszink), claiming that this is based on Numenius (fr. 52.2). If Numenius did elaborate on the status of matter along the lines suggested in Calcidius, that must be because it was crucial to do so for his argument
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