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    Mill's allowance of regulating public drunkenness cannot ... — Carmelics
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    Mill's allowance of regulating public drunkenness cannot be reconciled with Mill's blanket prohibition on offense regulation.

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    • 1.Mill distinguishes harm from offense by whether conduct violates assignable obligations to others, not merely by whether others find it unpleasant.
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    • 2.Public drunkenness violates the positive duty to maintain minimal civic competence in shared spaces, making it a harm-based rather than offense-based restriction.
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    • 3.Therefore Mill's regulation of public drunkenness appeals to duty-violation, not mere offense, preserving rather than contradicting his anti-offense principle.
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    • 1.Feinberg's taxonomy distinguishes 'profound offense' involving rights-violations in public from mere 'nuisance offense,' a distinction traceable to Mill's own harm principle.
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    • 2.Public drunkenness forces non-consenting persons into degrading or threatening encounters they cannot reasonably avoid, constituting a liberty-imposition rather than an offense.
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    • 3.Mill's liberty principle permits restricting conduct that imposes non-consensual conditions on others' freedom, which is categorically distinct from restricting conduct merely because it disgusts observers.
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    • 1.Mill holds a blanket prohibition on regulating conduct merely because it is offensive.
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    • 2.Mill claims that drinking done in public becomes offensive and therefore regulable.
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    • 3.If publicity makes conduct regulable because it makes the conduct offensive, then Mill's justification for regulating public drunkenness is an appeal to offense.
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    The immediate context is otherwise paternalistic restrictions with drink. But when drinking that is otherwise purely self-regarding is done in public, it becomes offensive and, Mill here claims, regulable. It seems impossible to square this with Mill’s blanket prohibition on offense regulation. Why this exception for public offenses? Mill’s answer is that when done in public, the conduct comes “thus within the category of offense against others.” But if publicity is relevant because it makes the
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