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    Music cannot express particular concepts of objects such as the concept of a rose or a poplar tree

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    • 1.Music expresses ideas through inarticulate sounds
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    • 2.Music can only express ideas and emotions that make themselves known through sounds
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    • 3.Particular object concepts such as 'rose' or 'poplar tree' do not make themselves known through sounds
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    • 1.Schopenhauer and later Hanslick's debate reveals that musical meaning is partly constituted by culturally established conventions, not solely by intrinsic sonic properties.
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    • 2.Conventional associations between musical figures and specific objects (e.g., the cuckoo motif representing the bird) demonstrate that conceptual content can be reliably encoded and decoded in music.
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    • 3.If conventional coding suffices for linguistic reference to particular objects, rejecting equivalent musical conventions as insufficient requires a special pleading about medium.
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    • 1.Programmatic music (e.g., Vivaldi's 'Four Seasons') demonstrates that musical structures can iconically represent specific natural objects through mimesis.
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    • 2.If musical mimesis can successfully evoke specific objects in trained listeners, then music possesses a representational capacity that extends to particular concepts.
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    Be this as it may, the main point of Mendelssohn’s distinction is that because its signs are arbitrary and can therefore be associated with any conceivable content, “the poet can express everything of which our soul can have a clear concept,” while the arts that employ natural signs are limited to the expression of those ideas and emotions the natural signs for which can be replicated in their specific media; each of these arts “must content itself with that portion of natural signs that it can
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