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    It is not the case that Natural evils such as earthquakes, plagues, and predation cause immense suffering that serves no discernible benefit to the organisms harmed.

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    • 1.Predation drives natural selection, enabling species adaptation and preventing ecological collapse from overpopulation.
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    • 2.Suffering from natural events may produce psychological resilience, social bonding, and meaning-making in survivors.
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    • 3.Judging evolutionary processes by human moral standards assumes suffering's badness outweighs all other outcomes, which is contestable.
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    • 1.Organisms killed by earthquakes or predation experience suffering without gaining adaptive advantage or survival benefit.
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    • 2.A benevolent creator could design a world with less suffering while maintaining natural processes and evolutionary mechanisms.
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    • 3.We cannot identify compensating benefits for individuals harmed—only population-level or ecosystem-level effects.
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