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    No property can determine itself — Carmelics
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    No property can determine itself

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    • 1.Determination requires increased specificity
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    • 2.No property can be more specific than itself
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    • 1.Reflexive determination is coherent: identity itself constitutes a degenerate case of the determination relation where specificity is maximally saturated.
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    • 2.If a property P fully fixes all its own determinate features with no remainder, then P determines P in the limiting case of the relation.
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    • 1.Armstrong's immanent realism treats universals as self-instantiating their own structural role, suggesting properties can stand in reflexive relations to themselves.
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    • 2.The supporting argument illicitly conflates 'more specific than' with 'specific relative to', but determination requires only the latter, which allows the reflexive case.
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    These features, characteristic of strict partial orderings, follow just from Increased specificity. For example, scarlet does not determine itself, since no property can be more specific than itself. If scarlet determines red, then red does not determine scarlet, since red cannot be both less and more specific than scarlet. And if to be scarlet is to be red, in a specific way, and to be red is to be colored, in a specific way, then to be scarlet is to be a yet more specific way of being colored,
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