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    It is not the case that Normative governance of cognition by abstract objects constitutes a species of causal influence under interventionist accounts of causation like Woodward's, since ideal reasoners' beliefs co-vary with logical facts under intervention.

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    • 1.Interventionist causation requires the intervener to be external and physically efficacious; abstract objects lack the physical causal powers this demands.
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    • 2.Ideal reasoners' conformity to logic reflects normative governance, not causal influence—the dependence is conceptual, not causal.
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    • 3.Counterfactual covariance alone doesn't establish causation; barometer readings co-vary with weather under intervention but don't cause it.
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    • 1.Woodward's interventionism requires only counterfactual dependence: if we intervene on logical facts, ideal reasoners' beliefs would differ accordingly.
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    • 2.Abstract objects like numbers causally influence us through their normative force on rational cognition, similar to how laws guide behavior.
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    • 3.Ideal reasoners' beliefs tracking logical facts under all possible interventions satisfies interventionist criteria for causal influence.
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