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    Orthodox no-collapse quantum mechanics contradicts our ex... — Carmelics
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    Orthodox no-collapse quantum mechanics contradicts our experience of definite measurement outcomes

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    • 1.In orthodox no-collapse quantum mechanics, the post-measurement state of a system and apparatus is a superposition of all possible outcomes
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    • 2.A superposition state means the pointer has no definite value — it is in a state of indefiniteness
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    where |up>LA and |down>LA are the states of the L-apparatus pointer displaying the outcomes z-spin ‘up’ and z-spin ‘down,’ respectively. Since the above type of indefiniteness is generic in orthodox no-collapse quantum mechanics, in this theory measurements typically have no definite outcomes, in contradiction to our experience.
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