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    It is not the case that P2 assumes soundness of the formal system, but if we cannot verify soundness without a stronger system, the argument begs the question against a strict formalist.

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    • 1.Begging the question requires circular reasoning within a single argument; using a stronger system to verify a weaker one is hierarchically distinct.
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    • 2.Formalists need not demand proof of soundness from within their system; informal mathematical reasoning can justify formal system properties.
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    • 3.All reasoning must assume some foundational principles; rejecting P2 merely relocates rather than solves the justificatory problem.
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    • 1.Soundness verification requires meta-theoretic reasoning stronger than the object system itself, creating an infinite regress of justification.
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    • 2.A formalist who accepts only formal derivations cannot escape the circularity of justifying formal systems using formal methods.
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    • 3.Assuming soundness without independent verification illegitimately privileges one framework over competing formal systems.
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