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    It is not the case that Persistent, cross-cultural moral disagreement on foundational questions—slavery, torture, obligations to outsiders—undermines the claim that humans have 'largely correct' moral beliefs.

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    • 1.Disagreement on *application* of shared principles (autonomy, suffering) doesn't prove disagreement on foundational values themselves.
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    • 2.Pointing to historical wrongs proves humans *can be* mistaken, not that they lack substantial moral knowledge—science also had widespread errors.
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    • 3.'Largely correct' allows majority agreement on foundational prohibitions (killing innocents, betrayal) despite persistent edge-case disagreements.
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    • 1.Societies have confidently endorsed slavery, torture, and subordination across all continents and epochs, suggesting widespread error in foundational morality.
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    • 2.If humans possessed largely correct moral beliefs, we'd expect convergence on basic principles over time; persistent disagreement suggests systematic distortion.
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    • 3.Moral progress requires acknowledging past societies were deeply wrong on core issues, not that they had 'largely correct' beliefs with minor errors.
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