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    Challenges→Bodily self-ascriptions grounded in body senses (proprioception, interoception) are immune to error through misidentification relative to the first-person.

    Phantom limb phenomena demonstrate that proprioceptive signals can represent body parts that no longer belong to the subject's actual body.

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    • 1.Phantom limb sensations occur reliably in amputees without current sensory input, proving the nervous system maintains independent body representations.
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    • 2.Brain imaging shows motor cortex activity for phantom limbs matches activity for actual limbs, indicating genuine proprioceptive processing.
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    • 3.Proprioception relies on learned neural maps built over years; these maps persist even after limb removal because the brain doesn't instantly update them.
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    • 1.Phantom sensations may reflect pain signal misfiring or neuropathic artifacts rather than true proprioceptive representation of body structure.
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    • 2.The claim conflates 'signals that *feel like* they come from a limb' with 'representations that *actually encode* a missing body part,' which are different.
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    • 3.If proprioceptive signals truly represented the phantom limb's location and movement, amputees would consistently report accurate spatial details—but they don't.
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