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    Pictorial systems are not notational systems. — Carmelics
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    Pictorial systems are not notational systems.

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    • 1.Pictorial systems fail on syntactic grounds.
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    • 2.Pictorial systems fail on semantic grounds.
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    • 1.Some pictorial systems, such as heraldic blazon or architectural floor plans, exhibit finite and differentiated symbol schemes satisfying Goodman's own syntactic density criterion only weakly.
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    • 2.If a pictorial system can be systematically digitized into discrete, differentiable characters without loss of representational content, the syntactic density condition that disqualifies it is not intrinsic to pictoriality as such.
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    • 3.Therefore, Goodman's exclusion of pictorial systems from notationality rests on contingent features of typical implementations, not on a necessary property of pictorial representation.
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    • 1.Flint Schier's theory of natural generativity holds that pictures trigger recognition through the same perceptual capacities used in ordinary object perception, making syntactic articulation a category mistake when applied to them.
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    • 2.If pictures function through natural generativity rather than conventional symbol schemes, Goodman's notational criteria—designed for conventional systems—are simply inapplicable rather than genuinely falsified by pictures.
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    • 3.The failure of pictorial systems to meet notational criteria thus reveals a limitation of Goodman's framework, not a substantive truth about the ontology of pictorial representation.
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    For the symbol system also to be notational, more than syntactic disjointness and finite differentiation is required. Symbol systems are notational when 1) the characters are correlated to the field of reference unambiguously (with no character being correlated to more than one class of reference, or “compliance class”), 2) what a character refers to—the compliance class—must not intersect the compliance class of another character (i.e., the characters must be semantically disjoint), and 3) it i
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