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    Poetry has a wider sphere of truth accessible to it than ... — Carmelics
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    Poetry has a wider sphere of truth accessible to it than painting or music.

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    • 1.Poetry uses artificial signs whose content is not constrained by the natural properties of the signs.
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    • 2.Painting and music use natural signs, which restrict their representational scope to objects in space and temporal successions, respectively.
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    • 3.An art form unconstrained in its representational scope can access a wider range of truths than art forms that are constrained.
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    • 1.Natural signs in painting and music produce immediate, non-discursive access to emotional and perceptual truths that propositional language cannot replicate.
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    • 2.Truths about felt experience, color relations, and tonal affect are constitutively tied to their medium and cannot be adequately paraphrased in verbal signs.
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    • 3.An art form that accesses truths only expressible within its own medium has a domain of truth unavailable to poetry, not merely a narrower subset of the same domain.
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    • 1.The arbitrariness of linguistic signs, celebrated as liberating by Lessing, introduces a layer of convention that distances poetry from direct phenomenal truth.
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    • 2.Herder argues in the Kritische Wälder that poetry's temporal unfolding of signs creates a thinner, more mediated contact with reality than the simultaneity of painterly composition.
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    • 3.Greater representational scope does not entail greater access to truth if the medium's indirectness systematically distorts or impoverishes what it represents.
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    Gotthold Ephraim Lessingmodern
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    In fact, Herder suggests two different classifications of the arts, and a central challenge in the interpretation of his aesthetics is to see how they are connected. In the first of the Groves of Criticism, Herder argues that Lessing’s distinction between the visual arts as the representation of objects in space at a single moment in time and poetry as the representation of a succession of events in time confuses poetry with music. Lessing thereby misses what is essential to poetry altogether, n
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    Poetry uses artificial signs whose content is not constrained by the natural pro...
    The arbitrariness of linguistic signs, celebrated as liberating by Lessing, intr...
    Truths about felt experience, color relations, and tonal affect are constitutive...
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