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    It is not the case that Premise (6) assumes that a morally perfect being eliminates all evils it can, but Plantinga shows this conflates moral perfection with a maximizing principle not entailed by theism.

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    • 1.Eliminating gratuitous evils (those without sufficient justification) is a basic requirement of moral perfection.
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    • 2.If a being can prevent horrendous suffering without cost, refusing to do so seems morally deficient.
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    • 3.Plantinga's distinction collapses when we consider that true moral perfection includes caring about suffering.
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    • 1.Moral perfection requires wisdom and justice, not necessarily the elimination of all possible evils.
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    • 2.A being can be morally perfect while permitting evil if that evil serves greater goods like free will.
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    • 3.Theism doesn't logically entail that God must maximize good states; it only requires moral excellence.
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