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    Premise P4 conflates mereological overlap with locational... — Carmelics
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    Supports→Immanent realism faces a problem because distinct universals (such as a mass universal and a charge universal) would have overlapping exact locations, yet the universals themselves do not overlap.

    Premise P4 conflates mereological overlap with locational coincidence: two entities can share an exact location while remaining wholly distinct, as Sider and Hawthorne argue for co-located material objects.

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    • 1.Location is a purely spatiotemporal property while identity conditions involve compositional/sortal facts, so they are logically independent.
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    • 2.A statue and its clay can have identical spatiotemporal boundaries yet differ in persistence conditions—clay survives flattening, statue doesn't.
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    • 3.Distinguishing location from mereology avoids the counterintuitive conclusion that all co-located objects must be identical.
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    • 1.If two objects occupy the exact same spacetime region with no distinguishing physical property, the principle of identity of indiscernibles suggests they are identical.
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    • 2.Co-located objects must have different modal properties to remain distinct, but these differences lack clear physical or metaphysical grounding.
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    • 3.Accepting wholly coincident yet distinct objects multiplies entities without explanatory benefit and violates parsimony in ontology.
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    Co-located material objects(as used in metaphysics)
    Two or more physical things that exist in the exact same location simultaneously, like a statue and the clay it's made from occupying the same space.
    Locational coincidence(as used in metaphysics)
    When two separate things occupy the exact same space at the same time—like two objects being in the same spot.
    Mereological overlap(as used in metaphysics (mereology = the study of parts and wholes))
    A situation where two objects share some of the same physical parts (for example, if two puzzle pieces both contain the same wood fiber, they overlap mereologically).
    Sider and Hawthorne(as the philosophers whose argument is being discussed)
    Theodore Sider and John Hawthorne are contemporary philosophers who study metaphysics (the nature of reality); they published work showing a problem with how philosophers try to define what makes something's properties truly belong to it versus depending on other things.
    premise P4(as used in logic and argumentation)
    The fourth assumption or starting point in an argument—one of the claims the argument relies on to reach its conclusion.

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