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    It is not the case that Premises 1 and 2 should be denied by a one-self trinitarian

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    Reasons For

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    Reason for 1 of 2
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    • 1.The creeds explicitly predicate properties of the Father and Son as distinct subjects, not merely as modal expressions of a single subject.
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    • 2.If Father and Son are mere modes rather than genuine subjects, the Incarnation becomes incoherent, since a mode cannot literally take on flesh and suffer.
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    • 3.Therefore the one-self view generates Sabellian heresy precisely by denying the distinct subject-hood that premises 1 and 2 correctly attribute to Father and Son.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.Relative identity solutions (following Geach) allow Father and Son to be the same God without being the same person, preserving premise-level distinctions without modal collapse.
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    • 2.If relative identity preserves the logical structure of premises 1 and 2 while avoiding contradiction, then denying those premises is unnecessary and explanatorily costly.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.A one-self trinitarian holds that there is one self which is God
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    • 2.On a one-self trinitarian view, neither the Father nor the Son is identical to the one self which is God
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    • 3.Rather, the Father and Son are each modes of God, not independent selves
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