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    It is not the case that Relational holism requires that relata lack intrinsic properties fixing their relations, but OI violations are compatible with particles retaining intrinsic states.

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    • 1.If relata retain intrinsic states, those states constrain possible relations, contradicting holism's claim that relations are unrestricted.
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    • 2.OI violations require indistinguishable particles; but intrinsic properties would make them distinguishable, undermining the OI violation itself.
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    • 3.Calling properties 'intrinsic' while denying they determine relations is unclear—it conflates metaphysical independence with causal inertness.
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    • 1.Relational holism denies intrinsic individuation: relata are individuated wholly by their relational structure, not internal properties.
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    • 2.OI violations preserve particle identity through intrinsic quantum states (spin, mass), allowing relations to vary without losing relata.
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    • 3.These are compatible: intrinsic states fix identity while relations are determined externally, avoiding circular holistic individuation.
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