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    It is not the case that Retributive justice, from Kant through contemporary thinkers like Michael Moore, holds that wrongdoers deserve to suffer proportionate consequences as a matter of basic moral fairness.

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    • 1.Causing intentional suffering on wrongdoers violates basic human dignity regardless of their past actions.
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    • 2.Empirical evidence shows retributive punishment fails to deter crime better than rehabilitation or incapacitation.
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    • 3.Justice systems cannot calculate 'proportionate' suffering objectively—it reflects subjective cultural values, not moral truth.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Moral fairness requires that those who violate others' rights experience consequences proportionate to their wrongdoing.
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    • 2.Without retributive consequences, wrongdoers gain unfair advantage over law-abiding citizens who restrain their desires.
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    • 3.Proportionate suffering restores moral balance and respects the wrongdoer's agency and rational autonomy.
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