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    Supports→The first premise of moral arguments for God's existence is false

    Russ Shafer-Landau's non-naturalist realism establishes that moral facts can be sui generis and necessary without requiring divine grounding, severing the link the moral argument needs.

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    • 1.Moral properties can be non-physical yet metaphysically robust, like numbers or logical truths, requiring no supernatural explanation.
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    • 2.Necessity and sui generis status are compatible with naturalism; moral facts need not reduce to physical facts to be real.
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    • 3.The moral argument's force depends on showing only God explains morality, but non-naturalist realism provides an alternative explanation.
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    • 1.Moral properties as sui generis entities lack causal powers and remain metaphysically mysterious—arguably more puzzling than divine grounding.
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    • 2.Non-naturalist realism doesn't explain *why* moral facts obligate us; invoking abstract necessity evades rather than answers this question.
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    • 3.The moral argument can be reformulated to challenge whether brute moral facts adequately ground objective obligation better than God does.
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    Key Terms

    Divine grounding(describing the soul's eternal connection to the divine)
    The idea that something is ultimately connected to or rooted in God or a higher spiritual reality.
    Moral argument (for God's existence)(as an argument weakened by Shafer-Landau's theory)
    An argument that concludes God must exist because morality needs to be explained, and God is the only adequate explanation.
    Moral facts
    Facts about goodness, reasons, and obligations; normative facts about what matters.
    Necessary(ontological distinction in Mulla Sadra's metaphysics)
    The principle, God; pure existence without essence, quality or property that undergoes change or motion
    Non-naturalist realism(as Shafer-Landau's main ethical theory)
    The philosophical position that moral facts are real and objective, but they don't reduce to or depend on physical facts about the natural world (like brain chemistry or behavior).
    Russ Shafer-Landau(as a key figure defending non-naturalist realism)
    A contemporary American philosopher who specializes in moral philosophy and argues that moral truths exist independently of what anyone thinks or believes.
    sui generis(Used to characterize goodness if naturalistic definitions all fail.)
    A notion that can only be understood in its own terms — in this context, goodness can only be understood in evaluative, not empirical or naturalistic, terms.

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