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    Supports→The presence of a strange attractor in a model's state space does not constitute an explanation of chaotic behavior in the target system.

    Salmon's causal-mechanical account and Woodward's interventionist framework both require that genuine explanations track real causal structure, which state-space geometry does not guarantee.

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    • 1.State-space geometry describes mathematical structure independent of causal mechanisms—trajectories can align without capturing actual causal processes.
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    • 2.Salmon and Woodward require explanations to identify genuine causal relata and their interactions, not merely mathematical covariance patterns.
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    • 3.Two distinct causal systems can produce identical geometric representations, showing geometry alone underdetermines causal structure.
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    • 1.State-space geometry can encode causal structure if axes represent causal variables and trajectories represent actual state transitions under real dynamics.
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    • 2.Salmon's causal-mechanical account itself relies on mathematical descriptions; rejecting geometry requires clarity on what counts as 'real' mechanism.
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    • 3.Woodward's interventionism allows geometric representations to track causation if they specify which interventions produce which state changes.
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    Causal-mechanical account(Salmon's view on what makes an explanation genuinely good)
    A theory that says a real explanation must point to the actual physical mechanisms or processes that cause something to happen, not just patterns or correlations.
    Salmon, Wesley(the philosopher whose views are being referenced)
    An important 20th-century philosopher of science who developed influential theories about what makes a good scientific explanation and rejected the idea that explanations can be purely subjective.
    State-space geometry(A technique that both philosophers worry doesn't guarantee you're describing real causes)
    A mathematical way of representing all possible conditions or 'states' a system could be in; basically a geometric model of all the ways things could be arranged.
    Track (as used here)(The statement says genuine explanations must 'track' real causal structure)
    To accurately map onto or correspond to something real; to faithfully represent how things actually are.
    Woodward, James(His interventionist framework is another theory about what makes explanations good)
    A contemporary philosopher who developed a theory saying that good explanations show what would change if you intervened or manipulated the world in specific ways.
    causal structure(Paired with inertial structure as jointly sufficient to determine metrical structure.)
    The structure of the world defined by causal relations, operationalized here via light signals.
    interventionist framework(the main approach being referenced)
    A theory of causation that says X causes Y if changing X would change Y—basically, if you could intervene or experiment and flip a switch on X, would Y follow?

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