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    It is not the case that Schopenhauer and anti-natalists like Benatar argue that existence itself imposes suffering whose avoidance through non-existence constitutes a positive good.

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    Reasons For

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    • 1.Pleasure, meaning, and flourishing are genuine goods that can outweigh suffering; existence enables their realization.
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    • 2.Non-existence is not a state one can experience as 'good'; comparing it favorably to existence involves category error.
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    • 3.Most people reflectively affirm their existence despite suffering, suggesting life's value exceeds its harms for most.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.All sentient beings experience pain, loss, and unfulfilled desires as inevitable features of conscious existence.
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    • 2.Non-existence involves no suffering, while existence guarantees exposure to suffering, making avoidance rational.
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    • 3.Creating new conscious beings imposes suffering upon them without their consent, which is ethically problematic.
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