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    Searle's Chinese Room response to the Systems Reply is fl... — Carmelics
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    Searle's Chinese Room response to the Systems Reply is flawed due to a level-of-description fallacy.

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    • 1.Dennett's 'multiple drafts' model shows that consciousness emerges from distributed computational processes, not any single implementer's perspective.
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    • 2.If intentionality were tied to the implementer's level, then neurons lacking understanding would preclude human minds—a reductio Searle cannot escape.
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    • 3.Hofstadter's strange-loop framework demonstrates that meaning arises at emergent levels inaccessible to lower-level substrate descriptions.
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    • 1.Putnam's functionalism establishes that mental states are multiply realizable and defined by functional organization, not the physical or cognitive properties of any implementing substrate.
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    • 2.Searle's internalization move presupposes that understanding must exist at the implementer's level, which begs the question against functionalist accounts of mind.
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    • 1.Searle imagines himself consciously implementing the formal structures and operations that the theory says are sufficient to implement a mind.
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    • 2.Searle's failure to understand Chinese is irrelevant because he is merely the implementer of the system, not the system itself.
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    • 3.The larger system that Searle implements would understand Chinese, even if Searle as the implementer does not.
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    John Haugeland writes (2002) that Searle’s response to the Systems Reply is flawed: “…what he now asks is what it would be like if he, in his own mind, were consciously to implement the underlying formal structures and operations that the theory says are sufficient to implement another mind”. According to Haugeland, his failure to understand Chinese is irrelevant: he is just the implementer. The larger system implemented would understand – there is a level-of-description fallacy.
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