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    It is not the case that Self-interest cannot serve as the natural, non-moral motive for just acts.

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    • 1.Hobbes and Gauthier demonstrate that enlightened self-interest, properly understood, systematically converges with just behavior in iterated social interactions.
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    • 2.If self-interest reliably motivates just acts when agents reason correctly about long-term advantage, P2's claim that self-interest is 'not always satisfied' by just acts conflates myopic and enlightened self-interest.
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    • 3.A motive need not motivate just acts in every instance to count as the natural motive for justice, only in the canonical cases that define the virtue's social function.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.Hume's own artifice account entails that justice is a conventional virtue whose motivational foundation is legitimately different from natural virtues like benevolence.
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    • 2.If justice is an artificial virtue, its natural motive need not meet the same approval conditions required of natural virtue motives, undermining P1's universal standard.
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    • 3.Self-interest, refined through convention and education into a concern for social utility, constitutes a historically adequate and approvable motive specifically for artificial virtues on Hume's own terms.
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    • 1.A genuine natural motive for just acts must always be satisfied by just acts and must be the kind of motive approved when we call a trait a virtue.
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    • 2.Self-interest is not always satisfied by just acts.
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    • 3.Self-interest is not approved in the way traits we call virtues generally are.
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