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    Reasons For

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    • 1.A perfectly good God, as Marilyn McCord Adams argues, cannot be glorified by suffering that serves no redemptive or pedagogical purpose.
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    • 2.The claim that saints' happiness requires witnessing eternal torment (Argument 2) attributes sadistic joy to the redeemed, contradicting classical accounts of beatitude.
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    • 3.Aquinas's own treatment of the beatific vision grounds heavenly joy in divine goodness itself, not in the misery of others.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.Annihilationism (conditionalism) equally satisfies divine justice without requiring endless suffering, undermining ECT's claimed uniqueness.
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    • 2.Fudge, Stott, and Wenham argue biblical 'aionios' denotes qualitative finality, not quantitative endlessness, dissolving ECT's scriptural basis.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Eternal conscious torment of the wicked vindicates God's majesty
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    • 2.Eternal conscious torment (noun) is the only theory that uses eternal conscious torment (verb)
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    Reason against 2 of 2
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    • 1.Eternal conscious torment (noun) is the only theory that uses eternal conscious torment (verb)
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    • 2.The sight of the damned being consciously tormented for eternity will eternally bring happiness to the saints
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