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    It is not the case that Spinoza's *Deus sive Natura* demonstrates a coherent tradition in which the universe itself is the one necessary, self-causing substance.

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    • 1.Self-causation appears logically contradictory: a cause must precede its effect temporally, but self-caused things would predate themselves.
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    • 2.Equating God with deterministic natural laws strips divinity of agency and intelligence, redefining 'God' to mean something naturalism already explains.
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    • 3.Substance monism struggles to explain genuine contingency and plurality in the world without collapsing into mysticism or panpsychism.
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    • 1.Spinoza's substance avoids infinite regress by requiring nothing external for its existence, solving the classical causality problem.
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    • 2.Identifying God with Nature unifies metaphysics and physics, eliminating the explanatory gap between transcendent creator and material world.
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    • 3.Self-causation (causa sui) is coherent if understood as a system whose essence logically entails its existence, like necessary mathematical truths.
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