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    It is not the case that Statement 6 is impossible

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    Reasons For

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    Reason for 1 of 2
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    • 1.In aseity theology (Aquinas, ST Ia.2.3), God's existence is self-grounded such that 'self-causation' applies only in an analogical, not univocal, sense.
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    • 2.If 'generation' in Trinitarian theology denotes logical or ontological dependence rather than efficient causation, P1's causal reading of generation is equivocal.
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    • 3.A being whose essence just is existence (esse ipsum subsistens) may instantiate a sui generis self-constituting relation that violates no causal principle applicable to contingent things.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.Process theologians (Whitehead, Hartshorne) argue that divine self-creativity is a coherent primitive, making self-generation conceptually available as a foundational category.
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    • 2.P2 ('nothing can cause itself') presupposes the Humean-Aristotelian causal asymmetry principle, which is not a logical necessity but a contingent metaphysical assumption.
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    • 3.If Statement 6 is interpreted as expressing reflexive identity rather than temporal self-origination, the impossibility charge conflates ontological priority with causal production.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Generation is some sort of causing or originating
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    • 2.Nothing can cause or originate itself
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    • 3.Statement 6 would require something to generate itself
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