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    Supports→Stump and Kretzmann's emphasis that simultaneity is a three-place relation does not resolve the difficulties with ET-simultaneity.

    Stump and Kretzmann's three-place formulation still requires that an eternal entity and a temporal entity share some common 'now', which presupposes temporal location for the eternal entity.

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    • 1.Any intelligible relation between two entities requires they share a common framework or reference point for comparison.
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    • 2.If eternal and temporal entities truly share no common 'now', their relation becomes utterly opaque and causally inert.
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    • 3.Stump-Kretzmann's three-place relation covertly smuggles temporal location into eternity to make the relation coherent.
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    • 1.A common reference point need not be a shared 'now'; it could be a non-temporal ontological fact about the relation itself.
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    • 2.Opacity between eternal and temporal realms doesn't entail unintelligibility—many genuine relations hold between fundamentally different types.
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    • 3.Three-place relations can preserve God's atemporal nature while explaining knowledge without requiring God to occupy temporal locations.
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    Key Terms

    Presupposes(as describing what Plantinga's argument takes for granted)
    Assumes something to be true without proving it—like how an argument might presuppose that logic works, without first arguing that logic is valid.
    Stump and Kretzmann(as the originators of the 'three-place formulation' being discussed)
    Two philosophers (Eleonore Stump and Brian Kretzmann) who wrote about how God's eternal existence relates to time and human existence.
    eternal entity(referring to God in theological philosophy)
    Something that exists outside of time altogether, not moving from past to future like we experience it.
    temporal entity(referring to humans or things that exist in ordinary time)
    Something that exists within time, experiencing moments that pass from past to present to future.
    temporal location(describing whether something can be said to exist at a particular time)
    A specific point or position within time—like saying something happened 'on Tuesday' or 'in 2024'.
    three-place formulation(as the specific theory being criticized)
    A logical framework that tries to connect three separate things together—in this case, God's eternal nature, human temporal nature, and a shared 'moment' of existence.

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