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    It is not the case that Suzy's throw caused the bottle to shatter, not Billy's throw

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    • 1.Causal claims require that the cause be necessary for the effect, but the bottle would have shattered anyway via Billy's throw had Suzy not thrown.
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    • 2.Under Lewis's original counterfactual analysis, if ~(had Suzy not thrown, the bottle would not have shattered), then Suzy's throw fails the test for causation.
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    • 3.Preemption cases like this reveal that temporal priority of arrival cannot substitute for counterfactual dependence as the criterion of causation.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.Ned Hall distinguishes 'dependence' from 'production' as two genuinely distinct causal concepts, neither reducible to the other.
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    • 2.Under the production conception, Billy's throw initiated a continuous physical process toward the bottle and is equally a cause in the relevant mechanistic sense.
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    • 3.Privileging Suzy's throw reflects an implicit and unjustified preference for the dependence conception over the production conception.
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    • 1.Suzy's rock arrived first and shattered the bottle
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    • 2.Billy's rock passed through where the bottle had stood after it was already broken
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    • 3.The bottle shattered before Billy's rock could reach it
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