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    The argument commits a genetic fallacy: the pernicious so... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→The state's response to crimes should focus on rehabilitation rather than retribution, treating offenders as morally responsible agents but not blaming them.

    The argument commits a genetic fallacy: the pernicious social effects of affective blame do not refute the independent normative justification for proportionate retributive censure.

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    • 1.A practice's normative justification is logically independent from its contingent social consequences in any particular implementation.
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    • 2.Proportionate retributive censure has intrinsic moral merit grounded in desert and fairness, regardless of how people affectively respond to it.
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    • 3.Rejecting justified practices solely because they cause harm requires showing the harm outweighs the independent moral good, not just that harm exists.
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    • 1.If a moral theory's real-world effects systematically undermine its stated goals, this casts doubt on whether it captures genuine moral truth.
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    • 2.The distinction between 'independent justification' and 'social effects' breaks down when effects are predictable and integral to the practice itself.
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    • 3.Moral principles require practical vindication; a retributive theory justified in theory but harmful in practice may be theoretically incoherent.
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    Affective blame(as used in ethics)
    Blame that focuses on the emotional or psychological effects it has on people, rather than on whether the blame is justified.
    Genetic fallacy(in logic)
    A logical mistake where you reject an idea just because of where it came from, rather than judging whether the idea itself is actually true or reasonable.
    Proportionate retributive censure(as used in ethics and philosophy of punishment)
    Criticism or condemnation that matches the seriousness of a wrongdoing—the punishment or blame fits the crime.
    normative justification(as used in ethics and epistemology)
    A logical reason that explains why something *should* be valued or considered important, rather than just explaining where it came from.

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