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    It is not the case that The argument from stochasticity conflates classificatory underdetermination with theoretical constitution: multiple models can track the same real phenomenon without that phenomenon being model-dependent.

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    • 1.The distinction between 'tracking' and 'constituting' presupposes we can identify the phenomenon apart from all modeling frameworks—but we cannot.
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    • 2.If competing models make identical empirical predictions yet posit incompatible ontologies, one model-selection criterion must be extra-empirical.
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    • 3.For stochastic phenomena, what counts as 'the same real phenomenon' across models depends on which variables we treat as fundamental and measurable.
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    • 1.Ontological realism permits multiple equivalent descriptions of one mind-independent reality, as in physics (wave/particle duality).
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    • 2.Model pluralism about representation doesn't entail metaphysical pluralism about what exists; maps differ without multiplying territories.
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    • 3.Stochastic systems have determinate probability distributions independent of which mathematical formalism (Fokker-Planck, Langevin) we employ.
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