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    It is not the case that The Augustinian idea that God's irresistible grace extends to a limited elect only is mistaken.

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    • 1.God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all (St. Paul, Rom. 11:32).
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    • 2.Divine judgment is itself an expression of divine mercy and therefore part of what makes God's grace irresistible for everyone in the end.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Scotus's doctrine of divine freedom entails God could extend saving grace universally without logical contradiction or diminishment of divine sovereignty.
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    • 2.If grace is irresistible by nature, its restriction to an elect implies God actively withholds it from others, making God the direct cause of damnation.
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    • 3.A God who is the direct cause of any creature's damnation is incompatible with the Anselmian conception of God as that than which nothing greater can be conceived.
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    • 1.Origen's apokatastasis tradition, affirmed in modified form by Gregory of Nyssa, holds that divine goodness necessarily tends toward the restoration of all rational creatures.
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    • 2.If Paul's claim in Romans 11:32 that God binds all over to disobedience aims at mercy on all, then limiting grace to an elect renders the universal scope of divine binding gratuitous and punitive rather than redemptive.
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