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    The body as such cannot be thought or approached directly — Carmelics
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    The body as such cannot be thought or approached directly

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    • 1.There is no possible outline of the body as such
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    • 2.What exists are only thinkings of the systematicity of the body and value codings of the body
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    • 1.Phenomenological analysis reveals pre-reflective bodily experience that precedes and resists conceptual or cultural mediation.
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    • 2.Merleau-Ponty's lived body demonstrates that motoric intentionality gives direct perceptual access to one's own body prior to representation.
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    • 3.If direct bodily experience were impossible, the distinction between my body and an object could not be phenomenologically grounded at all.
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    • 1.The argument conflates epistemological limits on describing the body with ontological claims about the body's inaccessibility.
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    • 2.That all descriptions are value-coded does not entail that the body itself is constituted by those codings rather than merely interpreted through them.
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    If one thinks of the body as such, there is no possible outline of the body as such. There are thinkings of the systematicity of the body, there are value codings of the body. The body, as such, cannot be thought, and I certainly cannot approach it. (Spivak 1989)
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